so after 2013 there is no promise from obama for any american on any tax protection. he's open to raising taxes on anyone and everyone. and he's going to have to because even with his tax increases on the higher income people, he runs a $6.7 trillion debt over the next decade. and that buffett rule tax raises less than 1% of the debt he's running up. he's got to go straight at the heart of the middle class to pay for his bigger government. >> i think it's very interesting. i still have not heard from mr. norquist whether any tax increases should be necessary to deal with the budget deficit and the budget deficit we face as a country. are we going to try to do this all through spending cuts? and if so, how in the world do we do it without eviscerating medicare, medicaid, social security, and military spending? >> well, very clearly as you know, the republicans actually have a plan written down as opposed to obama and the democrats who have no plan to balance the budget written down. the republicans passed through the house paul ryan's budget. paul ryan does for all the